Comments on Seeking Avalon: My Anger Is Valid, Your Running Away Isn't

Loved this and linked it along with some other gre...

2008-07-29T22:54:00.000-04:00

Loved this and linked it along with some other great links on the issue.

Lea:It's not actually a bad essay, all told. It's ...

2008-07-28T09:06:00.000-04:00

Lea:

It's not actually a bad essay, all told. It's the reactions to it that were incredibly stupid and short sighted and bigoted to an extreme. There was an immediate up-cry about how Karen was indulging in self-hate in order to be popular.

But I can understand avoidance of the forums. I don't go there unless Karen's huffing over something and points out particulars to me. My experience on the boards has never left me and I don't comment.

You're right, there is so much else to be aggravated about - why go somewhere that uses up all that energy within a group(broadly speaking) that seems disinclined to change.

Oh, I'm so glad I quit reading KH's Buffy column h...

2008-07-28T03:46:00.000-04:00

Oh, I'm so glad I quit reading KH's Buffy column halfway through. Granted, it's more because I'm behind on my comics, but I was wondering if she was going to say something about Renee. I won't go into the forums, though. I quit those for a reason, it's not worth my aggravation (when there's so much else to get aggravated about).

Delux:I don't think that poem gets enough play. I ...

2008-07-27T12:55:00.000-04:00

Delux:

I don't think that poem gets enough play. I had no idea it was longer.

In some quarters, there is a theory that this is i...

2008-07-27T12:49:00.000-04:00

In some quarters, there is a theory that this is in fact the case.

-Delux

i loved you and linked you

2008-07-26T23:32:00.000-04:00

i loved you and linked you

Delux:You just made me think of Tamora Pierce. I s...

2008-07-26T14:17:00.000-04:00

Delux:

You just made me think of Tamora Pierce. I should so send you to a corner. 'Cause I don't know why that slave-time reaction is the only thing they can come up with.

"He looked at me wrong! Lynch him!" was for the menfolk. But for the womanfolk it becomes "The burning hatred in her eyes!"

Maybe white woman have known all along that the negroess (if not the negro) was NOT docile or lazy or easily led. And they've been afraid of our power ever since. I just don't know. I'm just fed up with the BS.

I do find myself wondering if NDN women also get this reaction. "But I'm trying, to get better/to help you, OMG why do you hate me?!"

BRAIN FLASH: Is it perhaps a form of crocodile tears? They manipulate their men by crying and acting quivering and contrite and it's their one note reaction?

Also, can we talk about this thing where whenever ...

2008-07-26T13:52:00.000-04:00

Also, can we talk about this thing where whenever women of color get angry at white women it becomes all about our ZOMG SEARING HATRED OF THEM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE TRYING SO HARD, etc?

Wow reading thru the forum discussion of Karen's p...

2008-07-25T21:02:00.000-04:00

Wow reading thru the forum discussion of Karen's post hurt my brain :( Esp the trolling and sockpuppeting and racism and OMGWHATABOUTTHEPOORWHITEPPL going on there :(

Karen and Betty did a good job as mods tho :)

I think that IS Bittercat (And I wondered why she was like.. not responding even tho she wrote the post saying that the article was a "very good article on race and feminism" >:\

Also her arguments are EXACTLY the same types of arguments that were used on transppl in the comments of a post about trans issues re: feminism. >:\ The idea that by saying somebody has cis privilege or white privilege you're saying their oppression as a WOMAN doesn't exist.. some.. how...

b/c we all know that they are oppressed for BEING white and cis >:O

And argh -_-;;

Found it hilarious too that she thinks that intersectionality is NEW, and this crazy thing ppl just came up with! Also how Heidi and her supporters are now saying that OLD intersectionality is FINE, CLASSIC intersectionality is FINE, but modern ones fail b/c well THINGS ARE FINE re: race now! Modern intersectionality is just useless and complainy!

Funny that their heads dun explode from the irony b/c that's what anti-feminists say about feminism, "oh classic feminism was good, when they needed to fight for the vote and stuff, but sexism is dead now, and modern feminism is just too complainy!" -_-;;

*head desk*

I like how Heidi speaks for WoC outside of America too claiming that they're all supportive of her idea of feminism and stuff >.>;; Plus the whole ranking of privilege thing. "Well we have white privilege, but it's like.. not rly much of a privilege and it's so small compared to male privilege that rly.. it shouldn't matter when we're fighting male privilege" >.>;;

*head f-ing desk*

if that's not her white, able-bodied, hetero, cis privilege speaking (to believe that the one oppression that directly affects her is the MOST POWERFUL OPPRESSION IN THE WORLDDDDDD over ALL OTHERS), I dunno what else it could be :\

Wait, Cyber Hippie calls herself an i-feminist? T...

2008-07-25T16:07:00.000-04:00

Wait, Cyber Hippie calls herself an i-feminist? That lot, if I recall correctly, uses a male columnist who also writes for Ladies Against Feminism. Sorry, I ought to comment on the egregious racism. This is another takedown of it, though not as strongly expressed as yours. Ms Schnakenberg seems to have taken existing oppression--and decided that the worst prejudice of all is people who call her racist. When she's only trying to help as a feminist, really, it's okay to dismiss other women.

'Lux:I think that may be what she was getting at w...

2008-07-25T14:22:00.000-04:00

'Lux:

I think that may be what she was getting at with her whole "I'm not educated and eloquent" schtick: Sojourner Truth may have been around 150 years ago, and she may have been famous enough amongst second-wave feminists that Sojourner magazine was named in her honor, but if no one's spoonfed it to her it's brand new. She is the world, after all.

Delux:No no no, apparently the intersectionality t...

2008-07-25T11:44:00.000-04:00

Delux:

No no no, apparently the intersectionality that WoC are speaking about is the new intersectionality, vs the old intersectionality.

Though I guess that would make the new idea still 150 years old.

A.. bah...

My brain: [ I'm sorry, the brain you're trying to reach refuses to connect to WWS. Please check your privilege and dial again. This brain refuses to be broken. ]

So 150 years after Sojourner Truth's "Aint I a Wom...

2008-07-25T11:27:00.000-04:00

So 150 years after Sojourner Truth's "Aint I a Woman" speech, intersectionality is a new idea?

Toubab, please.

I sigh at the part where she says intersectionalit...

2008-07-25T09:53:00.000-04:00

I sigh at the part where she says intersectionality is incompatible with her brand of feminism, and then that it's always been a given in that brand of feminism.

As for intersectionality as a "new philosophy"... that's pretty darned insulting; like it's something people either believe in or not, with the implication that if you don't believe in it, it's not really real.